DR. STUMP , Larry Grace 2012 Introduction on the daylily teeth blog

Posted on December 5, 2011 by Mike
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Dr. Stump , Photo by Mike Holmes

Well by now you may know why Larry Grace has placed a legitimate claim to the Dentist  Award for 2012.  It has been  hard to keep a good toothy secret. But  his long awaited 271-8 (MALCOLM BROOKER SR. x FANTASTIC FRINGE) is being released. From this point on 271-8 is to be known as “DR. STUMP”, after the Grace’s personal  dentist.  Larry feels like DR.STUMP ranks at the top of his most important introductions. The daylily has a stately garden presence and also is a hybridizers dream. The scape stands at 34″ and is a solid rebloomer.  DR. STUMP sets pod and is pollen fertile. Larry has used DR.STUMP to clean up brown and mauve tones in his hybridizing. While we don’t know much about the parentage of FANTASTIC FRINGE, we do know F.F. throws beautiful scapes.  DR.STUMP has a beautiful scape. MALCOLM BROOKER SR. is a cross of (FORESTLAKE RAGAMUFFIN x HL16). HL16 is a cross of (Larry Grace x Tetra Helena Louisa). MALCOLM BROOKER SR. lends itself  fine clean color and a nice saw tooth edge on both the petals and sepals. Larry has offered to show a few of the seedlings he has bloomed from DR. STUMP at the bottom of his introduction. These seedlings  are NICE!

In case you missed my previous blog on ” Jamie Gossard, the E.F. Hutton Of Daylilies”, and don’t know who E.F. Hutton is, John Benz called and offered a you tube video on E.F. Hutton.  John said check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PwP1EjaBik

Larry’s intros can be seen at www.gracelandgardens.com . If you can’t reach Larry at that address you can see him temporarily at http://www.daylilytrader.com/graceland/

Mike Holmes , on the daylily teeth blog

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Jamie Gossard … E.F. Hutton of Daylilies on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Posted on December 2, 2011 by Mike
LOVEALLSERVEALLbaby Jamie Gossard ... E.F. Hutton of Daylilies on the Daylily Teeth Blog

LOVE ALL SERVE ALL baby

Jamie texted me this morning and scolded me for mentioning his name on the daylily blog for  bidding on seeds on the lily auction and he was wondering what all the noise was about with Larry Grace claiming he may have the real Dentist teeth daylily.   Without hesitation I picked up the phone and called Jamie and mended fences. It was easy.  I explained to Jamie it was actually a compliment if someone outbids him.  I said, “After all since you are one of the World’s foremost authorities on teeth hybridization, many people are watching and listening to you.” I said to Jamie “you are the E.F. Hutton of daylilies!” Jamie then laughed and said “I suppose.” The second part of the story, Jamie wondering about Larry Grace and the Dentist Award. Jamie said “how could this be?” “After all I have a daylily named the DENTIST.” I said, “yes, but…..”, and then Jamie understood.  But was he happy? Time will tell but as we talked he was already thinking outloud.

Image is a seedling from this years introduction LOVE ALL SERVE ALL.

Happy Holidays,

Mike Holmes on the Daylily Teeth Blog

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Todays Blog: Buying and selling daylily seed on the daylily Lily Auction

Posted on December 1, 2011 by Mike
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SEE ME FEEL ME TOUCH ME

Back in the late 1990′s I purchased a few seeds from Fran Harding. I was guided to her from Shirley Farmer. Jamie Gossard , Shirley and I all bought seed from her out of FORESTLAKE RAGAMUFFIN. Each of us bloomed a few noteworthy daylilies. I was fortunate enough to bloom SEE ME FEEL TOUCH. Its been a valuable breeder for us and has been a very nice garden daylily.

The seed business and seed give aways are still going strong today thanks to the newest generation of  seed entrepreneurs. Mike Longo’s Lily Auction is a favorite place to sell seed. Bill Gutfleisch has a nice collection of teeth seeds now available on the Lily Auction. A close look at the bidders on Bill’s auctions show even the Jamie Gossard is still bitten by the teeth auctions. http://www.daylily.com/cgi-bin/auction.cgi?dispseller&sellername=Pollen5 . As for persons who give seed away, John Kulpa comes to mind. I remember how proud Jane S. was when she picked up a few of John’s seed give aways at a daylily meeting.

FYI, I’ve been getting several emails wondering when Larry Grace’s daylilies are going to be online.  Soon. I can also tell you that Larry is staking his claim to this years Dentist Award. Stay tuned!

Mike Holmes on the daylily teeth blog

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Black Horns, By Mike Holmes on daylily teeth blog

Posted on November 22, 2011 by Mike

RBD x CrMs 2 Black Horns, By Mike Holmes on daylily teeth blog

Dave Mussar teeth seedling

I spoke with John Benz today and we talked about the demand for his BLACK HORNS. John sold the “collection only” daylily on Mike Longo’s Lily Auction at a closing price of $780.00. He was very pleased that BLACK HORNS commanded such a price. John stated that he thought it was a record price paid for an introduced daylily on the Lily Auction. I think I’ve mentioned that I’ve used BLACK HORNS for several years. The daylily passes on monster teeth in a narrow form. Other hot items that it also gives up are tall scapes and dormancy.  If BLACK HORNS has a weakness, it would only be in my view, color.  It has been very difficult to break out of the burnt orange gritty look.  However, those hybridizers with line bred purples,oranges and reds  or color cleaners probably won’t mind using it as there has been successes  with other hard to improve upon daylilies  such as BASS GIBSON. A closing “good note” to all hybridizers is that  in  speaking to many club members over the past year , a percentage of them still like the burnt orange look. So what I may view as bad color others view as desirable color. I guess that is why the saying “Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder” is alive and well.

FYI, our 2012 Riverbend daylily introductions are now online at www.daylily.ws and also Paul Lewis daylilies are now online at www.47daylilies.com

Image provided by Dave Mussar illustrating a daylily that I’d call an “atypical horned daylily”  Dave tells me that there isn’t any Tet. Spindazzle in the background. Thanks Dave.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Mike from the Daylily Teeth Blog

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Teeth on Unusual Forms by Sandy Holmes on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Posted on November 8, 2011 by Mike
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U.F. Sandy Holmes Seedling

Several years ago I came home from Jamie Gossard’s garden and exclaimed to Sandy “Man alive, Jamie sure has some neat teeth UF seedlings.” Sandy snarled at me for not paying closer attention to her daylilies and shot back “what do you think I’m doing ! ” Thinking about her comment in reflection, I imagine when many people get out and see daylilies hybridized from  other people they forget the creations they are closest to. It was probably a stupid thing to say to her.  So tonight I’ll recognize Sandy for also having really nice teeth unusual form daylilies.  For Sandy the journey started several years ago when she decided she’d like to to blend self large daylilies with teeth. I was eager to help her with this crossover. And I quickly supplied her with a few parents that I thought would do the trick. Sandy had already used for years SEE ME-FEEL ME-TOUCH ME in her program to produce large clean colored daylilies with varying degrees of small teeth . The next step was to add  xtra fancy edges. She took a seedling that I call “fancy green edge” to these clean colors several years back and this year and she bloomed a bunch  home runs. Sandy’s seedling in the image, I find of high value. It is crossed to my introduction this year, not yet named, 1513, by Fancy Green Edge. 1513 is a red seedling out of Jamie Gossard’s Wolverine. Wolverine is a Tetra Spindazzle kid ,with around 5 doses of Tetra Spindazzle in it. In the seedling pictured, wow, Fancy Green Edge stripped all the color from the red pod parent 1513.   Pictured is a 10″ flower on a tall scape.  Way to go Sandy! I bet Jamie Gossard will  be paying her a visit for this one.

Mike Holmes

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BLACK HORNS by John Benz on the daylily teeth blog

Posted on November 7, 2011 by Mike
blackhorns BLACK HORNS by John Benz on the daylily teeth blog

BLACK HORNS , John Benz

Hi all, It’s been a while since I’ve made my last blog post.  After speaking with my good friend John Benz this afternoon, he encouraged me to get back at blogging ASAP. We talked for a while and there was a lot on his mind about daylily teeth and the direction they are heading. John likes “large”. So he is partial to teeth daylilies with taller scapes and large flowers and big teeth. His 2011 BLACK HORNS is his favorite tooth daylily to date that has been introduced. It has three doses of Tetra Spindazzle in it, two doses of Forestlake Ragamuffin and a dose of Startle(lots of dormancy). Leading  daylily expert, Jeff Salter while visiting John Benz said “he’d only dreamed of the teeth the size on BLACK HORNS”.  He had to have it.  While BLACK HORNS isn’t black, the name was derived from Jamie Gossard referring to it as a darker “HORNS”.  Of course Jamie HAD to have it. I’ve personally seen and grow kids out of BLACK HORNS and would rate it as being very important for producing introductions for hybridizers.

Mike Holmes

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Dr. Robert Grant-Downtown, Part 3 on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Posted on May 3, 2011 by Mike
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Super Redhawk, John Benz, 2011

Dr. Robert Grant-Downtown picking up from Part 2,

“Putting this all together, this may be an excellent clue as to how to generate new colours in such structures. By crossing in toothy lines to those which have been selected specifically for pigmentation deep into the throat and in the filaments, I’d expect such pigmentation to be expressed in the edge structures too. In essence, hybridisers have already selected for variations where the existing identity of one part of the flower is expressed ectopically, in a new place and time in development in the flower. Hopefully, by knowing that this is the mechanism, it can be exploited effectively to generate further innovations. Cheers, Robert ”

“SUPER REDHAWK is proving an extraordinary parent…. I was amazed that every seedling had shark’s teeth and about half of them are introductory quality”. John Benz

I’ll be back Monday morning on the Daylily Teeth Blog.  Thanks to Dr Grant-Downtown and John Benz.

Mike

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Dr. Robert Grant-Downtown, Part 2 on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Posted on May 2, 2011 by Mike
CrimsonShuriken Dr. Robert Grant Downtown, Part 2 on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Crimson Shuriken, John Benz 2011

Dr. Robert Grant-Downtown picking up from Part 1 post. “What, then, are silver/gold/green borders and teeth? In my opinion, this kind of structural edge is not a proliferation of cells which have adopted the identity of the eyezone. Instead, I think it is formed from proliferation of cells that have adopted the identity of those in the throat area. Serrations, fringe and teeth are local points of growth and, as in leaf margin serrations, many factors such as growth hormones and transcription factors interact in a complex way to regulate their distance apart, rate of growth and final size. I’d hazard a guess that extreme proliferations such as longer teeth and tentacles are more than this still. Notice how the filaments of the stamens in the daylily flower “fuse” in the throat area? Perhaps these proliferations have adopted some of the identity of the anther filament, which is why their growth is so long and extended.” Robert Grant-Downtown

The daylily image, “CRIMSON SHURIKEN is the closest to true red with pure snow-white teeth that we have seen anywhere”.  John Benz

Part 3 tomorrow on the daylily blog.

Mike

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Dr. Robert Grant-Downtown, Part 1 on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Posted on May 1, 2011 by Mike
BlackHorns Dr. Robert Grant Downtown, Part 1 on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Black Horns, John Benz, 2011

Dr. Robert Grant-Downtown, Oxford, England, was suggested by John Benz for his thoughts on what is happening in the formation of teeth.  So I asked him. Over the next several days I’ll share his thoughts with you and show images that readers have sent me.  Here goes part 1, Dr Robert Grant-Downtown. “I think that through careful observations there are many interesting and useful indications for hybridisers when it comes to elaboration of the edge in the daylily. From comparing the patterns of edge formation, I’d suggest that there may be a relatively simple rule to explain what is happening. What seems consistent in the types with picotee borders is that this structure is a mirror image of the eyezone. Simply, the border is a repetition of the development of the eyezone, with the border an outgrowth or proliferation of tissue that shares much of the identity of the eyezone. This explains why you don’t get a coloured outgrowth or border on a flower in the absence of a coloured eyezone. I’ve never seen an exception to this – though they may well exist. The really interesting thing is that the pattern within the eyezone (if it exists) is repeated in reverse order in the border. The outermost part of the eyezone is repeated in the innermost part of the coloured border, and so on.”

John Benz on Black Horns “I have seen blooms with tentacles over 2 inches long”

More tomorrow on the daylily teeth blog.

Mike

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David Hansen on the daylily teeth blog

Posted on April 28, 2011 by Mike

7T48A 5T2A x Who Dey 7 1 09 2 David Hansen on the daylily teeth blog

7T48A [(Annette's Magic X Horny Devil) X Who Dey!

David Hansen shared this with us,

“I have two toothy seedlings that are well endowed with teeth, and in looking at them this morning, I compared their teeth, and one seems to have more of the “teeth” form while the other had more the “tendril” form.  These seedlings were from my last two years of seedlings, so haven’t had the opportunity to see what they can do yet, but I do have seedlings growing from both with various crosses, so this bloom season we should see what 7T48A can pass on/do and then next year for 8T327A.  My numbering system uses the year that the seed was made, not the year of first bloom.   I’d like you to see what I am trying to say about teeth and tendrils; just my take on the difference. 7T48A [(Annette's Magic X Horny Devil) X Who Dey!] has many of the spinney type teeth/tendrils, while 8T327A (Ruffled Strawberry Parfait x Iwanna Piranha) has the wider teeth from where they break away from the petal edge.  Thinking of “tendrils” reminds of the catfish spines, while teeth reminds me of our “dogs teeth”. 

David Hansen

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8T327A (Ruffled Strawberry Parfait x Iwanna Piranha),David Hansen

Thanks David!  We’ll be back in discussion Monday morning on the daylily teeth blog. Have a nice weekend.

Mike

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Melanie Mason, Claudia Conway,Eddy Muers on the Daylily Teeth Blog

Posted on April 27, 2011 by Mike
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Freedom's Triumph--x--God Save The Queen, Claudia Conway

Claudia Conway,N.H. , writes “I really feel, as I have said before, that DLs are evolving towards toothy edges…
From small bumps or knobby edges…we are able to make crosses that have a higher percentage
possibility of teeth in the offspring…as you say making the edge pop…. ”

Melanie Mason, N.Y., in response to Jamie Gossard “Re: Ripped edges… although visually I agree with Jamie Gossard that the edges have a torn appearance, if you look carefully, the color of the toothy edge persists completely around the petal, with no interuption. My thoughts are that at somewhat regular intervals along the edge, there is cellular proliferation. At these intervals, the edge grows faster than the petal, allowing teeth, knobs, horns, and even tentacles to appear. Nevertheless, even in the absence of these protrusions, the edge is apparent.”

Eddy Muers, Belgium, writes  “Where can we place this phenomenon” ??

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What are these protrusions?, Eddy Muers

 

 Thanks Claudia, Melanie and Eddy!

More tomorrow on the daylily teeth blog.

Mike

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David Kirchoff, Mort Morss, Roy Woodhall on the daylily teeth blog

Posted on April 26, 2011 by Mike
sharkstooth David Kirchoff, Mort Morss, Roy Woodhall on the daylily teeth blog

SHARK'S TOOTH, Mort Morss

In speaking with David Kirchoff last week, I asked him where the term “teeth” originated. David said the term possibly can first be attributed to three people. Betty Woods, Ra Hansen, and Mort Morss. Mort bloomed SHARK’S TOOTH (image one) in the early 1980’s and that is where he first used the word. One of the parents to SHARK’S TOOTH is CHICAGO KNOBBY(image two).  Roy Woodhall explained to me that the term “Knobs” was used prior to the term “Teeth”.  Knobs have rounded tips opposed to  pointed tips of Shark’s Tooth.  Roy did say that some early daylilies that were described as “Knob Edged” may have also exhibited what we now refer to as “Teeth”.  The image of SHARK’S TOOTH clearly shows teeth. While the image of CHICAGO KNOBBY displays knobs and tiny  sawteeth.  

If anyone else has more to add to the orgin of the term “Teeth” please let us know.

More tomorrow on the daylily teeth blog. Thanks David , Mort, and Roy.

Mike

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Chicago Knobby, James Marsh

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