More on OUTER LIMITS on the daylily teeth blog

Bill Waldrop Seedling More on OUTER LIMITS on the daylily teeth blog

Bill Waldrop Seedling

One reader writes about the OUTER LIMITS”…… “slow” …… Outer Limits……, and the $300 I spent seems to have been a waste of money. I only got 3 blooms last year, after 2 years of being here. So, while it may be worthy of all the praise you gave it where you are, here, not so much. As of this fall, after a hotter summer than most, it only multiplied by one fan.I am hopeful this summer I will have more blooms, but I am disappointed on the whole.Before you sent so much praise for the world to see, please consider the entire country.”

Dear Reader, I understand your concern. Spending $300.00 for a couple of blooms, at first glance hurts. But does it?  Remember as hybridizers we are concerned as to what we can pull out of a daylily more so than how it performs in our own yard. Those three blooms you had from O.L. are very precious. That is why many of us hybridizers bring in Southern genetics, knowing they aren’t going to perform to specs. Or Larry Grace painfully uses dormants that misbehave in his garden. We are after specific traits.  OUTER LIMITS has a suspected green edge gene in it and has been producing very heavy edged daylilies in zone 5. I use it for that reason. It would be a nice addition but I don’t care about garden looks for hybridizing daylilies. When I introduce kids out of a daylily, they will carry the looks and specs we require.  Outer Limits is F1 cross and is a drop dead dormant in our garden. You should be able to start a solid dormant program with it.  Another point to consider is the breeding in this daylily lends itself to small crown and slow increase. Dormants are nortoriously slow and painful in regard to vigor. My thoughts are as a Northern hybridizer, I’d prefer to use one  bloom from  an outstanding Southern daylily than 100 blooms on great garden performer with an ordinary bloom.  From a non hybridizers garden perspective, you are right, three blooms are a disapointment. Thanks for your food for thought~!   Anyone else please leave your comments. They are welcome.

I have had a request for talks about Brother Charles. So that’s coming soon… Image is a daylily seedling of Mr. William Waldrop, procurer and connoisseur of fine daylilies…Kennesaw Mountain Daylilies

Mike Holmes

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4 Responses to More on OUTER LIMITS on the daylily teeth blog

  1. Josh Jaques says:

    Hi Mike,

    I understand what your other reader is going through. Being in the south it can be risky sometime spending premium dollars on plants that may or may not preform even for one season. Our bloom season often starts before many northern grower begin shipping, late April early May. I have a seedling that is showing some great RED teeth and want to get Jamie’s new After the Bite breed it with, but am not sure if a hard dormant will make in central Louisiana.

    Keep up the great work

    • I am a northern hybridizer in my infancy stages…but here is my perspective. I have brought up many top southern bred plants. Most hybridizers in this area won’t consider anything but a dormant and are sure my southern ones will die. I am a natural risk I have always done well by this credo…..I have had many cultivars go dormant and have lost only three plants in 3 years. ( I am aware of the 25 yr..devastating winter curse). I feel daylilies have an amazing adaptability factor..most being of mixed dormancy background. Even if you get three blooms on a cultivar and use the pollen, get seeds and seedlings, isn’t this better than never having tried at all?
      I have several outstanding seedlings bloom this past summer and I used them all heavily. Even if these seedlings don’t survive ( -28 degrees and thankfully I mulch and we have good snow cover)…THEIR seedlings might. Throw in a host of other environmental risks..and it is a toss of the coin, whether any daylily will survive or not….( go figure on sink holes!). Anywho, I think you should try anything that will influence your breeding program in a direction that interests you. AND with all the cold weather inundating the south in the last 2 years… maybe dormancy is not such a long shot. I will tell you a peony trick that I would be doing for sure…if I were trying to get a hard dormant to do well. That bucket of ice on its’ crown each morning….may fool it a tad….I would be doing just that…. or Cold root seller storage??? think outside of the box… go for it!

  2. Jim Bob Bobrzynski says:

    Hi Mike,

    I would be most happy to buy the reader’s plant of Outer Limits and take it off their hands. Please feel free to pass on my Email address for them to contact me. Look forward each morning to read all your posts on your blog. Many thanks.

    Jim Bob Reg. 3 – Z 5/6
    Bethel Park, PA

  3. Kim Langston says:

    Regarding that hybridizing of Bill Waldrop…
    I have been fortunate enough to visit Bill and Diana’s beautiful home and garden for the past 2 seasons. They walk with me through the plants, new and old. What’s most important to me about these visits is that Bill is happy to share with me his hybridizing thoughts, goals, and concerns. He shares freely any information he has (just like Mike).
    His greenhouse this past summer really had some lookers in it, excellent saturation in burgundy- wine colors. I’m very excited to see what he intros.

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